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TITLE ON SCREEN:
The Road to Marriage Equality
JIM OBERGEFELL (SHOWING A PHOTO): Thatโs the very first picture of us as a couple, so I always like that one. John and I knew early on that we saw a future together and we talked about how we wanted to get married. For me, that was what I saw in my family. But at that point in the mid-90s, it wasnโt an option.
NARRATION: No state legally recognized same-sex marriage, and in the 1990s, Congress also weighed in.
TEXT ON SCREEN: 1996
ARCHIVAL (ABC NEWS, 1996):
NEWS ANCHOR: The Senate today has passed what is called the Defense of Marriage Act, which means that traditional marriage under federal law is the union of a man and a woman, period.ย
ARCHIVALย (CBS NEWS, 9-10-96):
SENATOR ROBERT BYRD (D-WEST VIRGINIA): To insist that male-male or female-female relationships must have the same status as the marriage relationship is more than unwise, it is patently absurd.
NARRATION: Over the next 15 years, marriage equality rights activists succeeded in changing laws in several states, but the federal government refused to acknowledge the legality of these unions. Then the question reached the Supreme Court.ย
JIM OBERGEFELL: On June 26th, 2013, John called me into his room because there was news coming from the Supreme Court. Theyโd just struck down the Defense of Marriage Act.
ARCHIVAL (CBS NEWS, 6-26-13):
NEWS REPORT:ย The court has just ruled part of that law is unconstitutional. That means same-sex couples who are legally married in 12 states and the District of Columbia will be eligible for federal benefits. This is being described as a big win for supporters of same-sex marriage.
JIM OBERGEFELL: I realized, hereโs an opportunity where we could get married and have the federal government, at least,ย recognize us and say, John, Jim, you are a married couple. So I spontaneously proposed, and luckily, he said yes. But unfortunately, it was not an easy thing for us to make happen.
NARRATION: The practical effect of the Supreme Court ruling was that the federal government was now required to acknowledge same-sex marriage, but it stopped short of forcing states like Ohio from doing the same. For Obergefell and his partner, this created a difficult hurdle.
JIM OBERGEFELL: In June of 2011, John was diagnosed with A.L.S., so we had to figure out how to take a dying man with no physical abilities to another state to do something that millions of other people took for granted.
TEXT ON SCREEN:
July 11, 2013: John and Jimโs wedding day
ARCHIVAL:
JOHN ARTHUR: One year ago. This would have been as simple as us taking a trip, because I could still walk.
JIM OBERGEFELL: We took an ambulance to the airport in Cincinnati and we boarded this small medical jet and we flew to Baltimore-Washington International Airport, and our wedding ceremony took place in the airplane.
ARCHIVAL:
AUNT (OFFICIATING THE CEREMONY): Jim, you have the rings?
JIM OBERGEFELL: Yes.
JIM OBERGEFELL: The most important thing was I got to take Johnโs hand and we got to say the words we had wanted to say for so long.
ARCHIVAL:
JIM OBERGEFELL: With this ringย I thee wed.
JOHN ARTHUR: With this ring I thee wed.
JIM OBERGEFELL: Weโd been together almost 21 years at that point, and it changed everything. We felt more complete.
NARRATION: But when the couple got home, they learned that as far as Ohio was concerned, they had never gotten married at all.
JIM OBERGEFELL: John and I werenโt activists, but eight days after we got married, we filed a lawsuit in federal district court demanding that Ohio recognize our lawful Maryland marriage on Johnโs death certificate when he died. We had a simple decision to make: Were we willing to fight for our relationship? And it was a really easy yes for us.
NARRATION: Their lawsuit, one of dozens moving through the courts in Ohio and other states that still banned same-sex marriage, ultimately landed on the desk of a Republican politician who had just been named the director of the stateโs Department of Health.ย
RICHARD HODGES (FORMER DIRECTOR, OHIO DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH): A legal counsel came in and told me that I would be the defendant in the Obergefell case, and I said, well, whoโs Obergefell and what did I ever do to him? Personally, Iโm O.K. with same-sex marriage, butย I took an oath to defend the laws of the state of Ohio, and state law was very clear that marriage is between a man and a woman, so any spousal listings on any documents needed to reflect that fact. So my goal was to make sure we were professional and dignified, and that we didnโt turn this into a political circus, because people just get very upset over these issues.
ARCHIVAL (NBC NEWS, 12-7-12):
BRIAN BROWN (NATIONAL ORGANIZATION FOR MARRIAGE): Unions of two men or two women are not the same thing as a marriage between a man and a woman.
ARCHIVAL(CNN, 5-10-12):
SENATOR MITT ROMNEY (R โ PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE): I do not favor marriage between people of the same gender.
ARCHIVAL (C-SPAN, 7-26-16):
AUDIO: We donโt know what kind of impact all of this encroaching homosexual culture might have on our children.ย
ARCHIVAL (C-SPAN):
JIM OBERGEFELL: I just donโt think I can respond to that. We are not a catchable disease. We are people.
NARRATION: The push-back against gay rights didnโt shock Obergefell , whose husband died during the two years he fought to overturn Ohioโs ban. What surprised him was the support he found.ย
JIM OBERGEFELL: I was stopped constantly by people who wanted to hug me, shake my hand, show me photos, tell me stories. And that happened again and again and again.
This is a scrapbook put together for John and me. On these pages there are messages from across the country that people shared with us. Marriage is a human right, not a heterosexual privilege. I like that one. There are so many people here who are referencing their faith.
Our stories made it real. Everybody could connect to a story about love and loss, and thatโs what changed hearts and minds.
NARRATION: On June 26th, 2015, Obergerfell was in the Supreme Court when he heard the words heโd waited so long to hear: Same-sex marriage was now legal across the country.
ARCHIVAL (MSNBC, 6-26-15):
NEWS REPORT: A dramatic moment here, a 5-4 decision. This is a total victory for the advocates of same-sex marriage.ย
ARCHIVAL (CNN, 6-27-15):
NEWS REPORT: Right-leaning Justice Anthony Kennedy wrote the majority opinion, saying, quote,ย gay couples asked for equal dignity in the eyes of the law; the Constitution grants them that right.
ARCHIVAL (CBS NEWS, 6-26-15):
NEWS REPORT: All four of the courtโs conservatives wrote dissents, saying the issue should be left to the states.
ARCHIVAL (MSNBC, 6-26-15):
NEWS REPORT: But in the states that now ban same-sex marriage, they will have to permit marriages now.ย
ARCHIVAL (CNN, 6-27-15):PRESIDENT BARAK OBAMA: Is this Jim?
JIM OBERGEFELL: Yes it is, Mr. president.
PRESIDENT BARAK OBAMA: I just want to say congratulations. Your leadership on this, you know, changed, changed the country.ย
JIM OBERGEFELL: My first thought was, John, I wish you were here. I wish you could experience this. But then I realized that for the first time in my life, as an out gay man, I felt like an equal American.
ARCHIVAL (CNN, 6-27-15):
JIM OBERGEFELL: Itโs my hope that the term gay marriage will soon be a thing of the past, that from from this day forward, it will simply be marriage.
RICK HODGES: As I try to tell people, whether you think same-sex marriage is moral or binding in the eyes of God, thatโs your personal religious opinion and Iโm not going to say youโre right or wrong, but clearly the Constitution extends equal protection to all citizens, regardless of sexual orientation.
NARRATION: For Hodges, the significance of the ruling became clear a week later.
RICK HODGES: I had a friend, heโs been a friend for 40 years, whoโs gay, and he called me up before the decision was rendered and said, do you know when youโre going to lose? Because I want to be the first person in Ohio to get married. After the decision came out, every Republican in the state was at his wedding and I just looked out across the audience and I thought, you know, this is pretty remarkable. Weโve got to the point now where this is accepted, and also that this could have happened a lot sooner if it wasnโt for us and the evolutionary process that we had to go through to get to this point.
NARRATION: The Obergefell decision became a catalyst for further activism, a stepping stone in the push for broader equal rights. But it also drew criticism from those who felt the gay rights movement had gone too far.ย
JIM OBERGEFELL: You know, I think back to June 26, 2015, and there were people that said weโre done, weโre fully equal. But the threat to marriage equality happened within days of that decision.
ARCHIVAL (ABC NEWS, 9-1-15):
KIM DAVIS: Back away from the counter. . .
JIM OBERGEFELL: Kim Davis in Kentucky, the county clerk, refused to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples, ignoring that Supreme Court decision, and weโve had two Supreme Court justices point-blank say they want to overturn Obergefell.
ARCHIVAL (MSNBC, 6-26-22):
NEWS ANCHOR: How seriously should LGBTQ Americans take Justice Thomasโs threat to, quote, reconsider cases like Obergefell?
NARRATION: Despite such concerns, Hodges, who now often joins Obergefell in speaking at schools, is hopeful that the case has made lasting change.ย
RICK HODGES: I grew up in a conservative community. And I still consider myself a conservative Republican. But if youโre anti-anybodyโs rights, youโre on the wrong side of history. Whatโs most important is recognizing that weโre all part of this experiment, to not just accept our differences, but to celebrate them. That makes this country unique. Thatโs something special, and thatโs what we have to remember, we have to protect and we have to defend.
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How the Supreme Court Ruling in Obergefell v. Hodges Legalized Same-Sex Marriage
This story revisits the landmark Supreme Court decision from the perspective of the two named participants, Jim Obergefell and Richard Hodges.
When Jim Obergefell and his partner John Arthur decided to marry after more than 20 years together, they faced a formidable obstacle: their home state of Ohio refused to recognize same-sex marriages. With John terminally ill, the couple chartered a medical jet to Maryland, where their marriage would be legal.
โThe most important thing was I got to take Johnโs hand and we got to say the words we had wanted to say for so long,โ Obergefell said.
Their decision set in motion a legal challenge that reached the Supreme Court in 2015, as Obergefell v. Hodges. The court ruled 5 to 4 that the 14th Amendmentโs equal protection clause requires all states to recognize the marriages of same-sex couples.
โThey ask for equal dignity in the eyes of the law,โ Justice Anthony Kennedy wrote for the majority. โThe Constitution grants them that right.โ
- Producer : Kit R. Roane
- Editor : Brian Kamerzel
